Excessive Motorcycle Noise or Life Saving Mufflers?

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Motorcycle Accident Lawyers: Motorcycle Noise or Music?

Motorcycle noise is one issue that continues to stir debate within the biking community. Proponents state, “Loud pipes save lives” while opponents, including the noise control coalition, Noise Off, have stated this is a myth and with no studies to prove it. Noise Off points out that noise from a motorcycle’s exhaust system comes from the rear, so it does nothing to alert oncoming drivers of a motorcyclist’s presence.

Recently, the New Hampshire House passed a bill, which would reduce the state’s current motorcycle noise cap. According to a CBS Boston article, the new Society of Automotive Engineers International (SAE) J2825 testing process, also used in Maine, would lower the current motorcycle noise cap of 106 decibels. If enacted, this law would limit motorcycle noise to 92 decibels during idle and, depending upon the motorcycle engine type, to 96 or 100 decibels while revving the engine. The new test is reportedly more accurate and easier for law enforcement to administer than the motorcycle noise test currently being used by the state.

Absent, modified, or altered motorcycle exhaust systems are often the cause of excessive motorcycle noise – bikers often change out EPA approved factory mufflers for noisy aftermarket exhaust systems. To counter this, many states including California, New York, Wisconsin, and Florida have banned modifications that increase motorcycle sound levels above the manufacturer’s original standard such as cutouts, bypasses, and aftermarket exhaust systems. Back in 2010, California passed a Motorcycle Anti-Tampering Act (SB 435). California’s act applies to 2013 and later model year motorcycles and aftermarket parts. This would allow police and other law enforcement officials to issue citations for noisy motorcycle exhaust pipes to California motorcyclists who have been stopped for another traffic violation. Violation of California’s new Motorcycle Anti-Tampering Act would result in fines ranging from $50 to $250.

The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) is strongly opposed to excessive motorcycle noise. With the belief that excessive motorcycle noise contributes to prejudice against bikers, the AMA encourages bikers to be considerate of others in their community and keep bike noise to a minimum. The AMA believes the motorcycle industry should focus on educating motorcycle customers and riders about the negative effects of excessive motorcycle noise, including fatigue and impairment of riding skills.

Yet there are many in the motorcycling community who believe that “loud pipes save lives”. Proponents argue that noisy mufflers continue to alert other drivers, pedestrians, and even animals of their presence on the road. This alone can save lives and help prevent devastating motorcycle accidents from occurring. If another driver begins to drift into your lane unexpectedly, a quick rap on the pipes can alert them to your presence. This is especially helpful in urban settings and in situations where drivers are too busy talking on their cellphones.
At Russ Brown Motorcycle Attorneys, we understand the issues facing motorcyclists everywhere—and we want to know what you think. Do loud pipes save lives or do you believe mufflers should be silenced? Make your voice heard!

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53 Responses

  1. Vincent P

    As a long time motorcycle rider in the San Francisco bay area, I can assure you loud pipes do indeed save lives… I even tested this by taking my exhaust off (open header) and putting the stock can back on… there was a noticeable difference in the amount of cars that merged into my lane.

    The key is to find something loud enough to keep drivers aware of your presence but while still being non intrusive in neighborhoods.

    most of the “volume” is in the wrist though…

  2. Lynne

    Mine is stock and I like it that way they can’t hear you from a on coming traffic
    So Loud pipes do little to help

  3. Rocky

    If it weren’t for loud pipes I wouldn’t be here today, I was riding on a local highway in Massachusetts heading in the right lane when all of a sudden this car comes from the far left lane and was coming right at me this person was on her cell phone laughing away not paying any attention to her surroundings, I pulled in the clutch and hit the throttle this girl opened her eyes and realized she almost took me out, this is only one of the many instances where loud pipes saved a life, there are some riders out there that can be annoying with the way they crank up the noise but not all bikers are the same. Loud Pipes positively save lives especially when dealing with people who just don’t pay attention to their surroundings.

  4. CanadianIce

    I see it when me and my husband ride. I have stock pipes, and he has after market ones that are considerably louder than mine. People don’t seem to notice me coming… but when I’m riding with him, they see us where if I was alone they would have cut me off cause they didn’t even look.

  5. Wings2Fly

    After riding in Colorado for many years I never had loud pipes and could not see a reason for them – then I moved to CA – whole different mind set. When your headed down the freeway or splitting lanes and you look over at the driver with the radio up, talking on the cell phone (supposed to be illegal) and swerving around the road – you realize – HELL YES I’m glad I now have loud pipes – if I could fit an airhorn I would have that too. :)

  6. DukeW

    There’s a certain class of rider — we’ll call ‘em “one-percenter-wanabees” — who insist on having noisy pipes. These ones are like little kids yelling, “Hey, look at me!” I commute on bikes every day, and in my experience, the pipes don’t make a difference. If the ditz behind the wheel of the VW Cabrio is too busy texting to drive right, she’s going to hit you whether your pipes are anti-social or not (just ask the motorcycle cop that she hit — for real). I’m thinking of having bumper stickers made that read “Loud Pipes Piss Off The Neighbors” just so we can be clear what they’re really for.

  7. John Boudreaux

    Well, I’ve had both types on several different bikes! When I had a Honda, it was quiet. I’d come home from riding with a terrible headache each time! I realized it was from the cages pulling out in front of me. Time goes by, I buy a Harley, leave the stock pipes on. Same thing happens!
    I put some aftermarket pipes on about two years later, and low and behold, cars seems to magically NOTICE me! I notice as I’m coming up on a car that is in the right lane on an interstate, they’ll actually LOOK in their rearview mirror to see where the “noise” is coming from! SO, yes, Lynne…LOUD PIPES GETS YOU NOTICED and hence, saves LIVES!
    NOW, when I’m leaving or returning to my house, I idle thru the neighborhood when it’s after 8 PM or before 7 AM. Vincent P is correct…the loudness is adjustable by the wrist!

  8. Rob

    I live on the highway and hear bikes with loud pipes coming from a ways off, so the theory that the noise only goes to the rear is totally FALSE! I also have ridden quieter bikes and now ride one with loud pipes and absolutely agree that they save lives. I’ve had to duck and dive much less from inattentive drivers and roadside critters since installing louder pipes.

  9. Angela

    Yes Loud Pipes Do Save Lives. I live and work in RTP, NC and with all the people trying to talk on the phone and text while they drive the only thing that keeps me from being hit is my pipes. Just yesterday on my way home from work I was almost hit by a person talking on the phone that only realized I was beside them once they heard my bike. Get NOTICED!!! Loud pipes save people everyday!

  10. torto57

    Cell Phones kill Bikers ! Make cell phone use illegal to use while driving, stiffen penalties for automobile drivers causing accidents with motorcycles,then we can begin to talk about noise reduction.
    LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES !

  11. ron

    I was living in N.J. always had loud pipe’s .I moved to W.V. WENT BACK TO N.J. with my bike and no how much throttle I gave it the woman, still cut me off 4 time’s in less than a quarter mile,any other time a quick twist of the wrist an people realize they are intruding in your driving space, YES LOUD PIPE’S DO SAVE LIVE’S SO GET USED TO IT !!!!

  12. Gerald Trees

    Sorry, but by the time your “heard” it’s too late. With the road noise reduction built into most cars, concert grade sound systems cranked up and distractions like cell phones and GPS, you have to be right next to a driver before you’ve got any chance of being heard. I ride a loud bike and I also have one that’s quiet and I can tell you from experience, it make no difference. The only thing that will save your life is your skill and road “smarts”.

  13. Danielle

    We were stopped at an intersection were a light wasent turning green so the car in front of us decided to back up guess they dident see us right behind them cuz they almost hit us. My husband first honked horn then reved up his engine when dident work and they stopped amediatlly and looked around. Look around duh. Loud pipes do save life’s!!!!!

  14. Madd Maxx

    There’s another reason stock pipes or mufflers are replaced with after market options – the life of the engine. Stock pipes and mufflers are so plugged up the engine isn’t breathing as well as it could and therefore runs at a higher temperature. This reduces engine life.

  15. Mark Motormac

    Loud pipes do not save lives as much as an attentive diver. That is the biggest problem. On my bike I used the horn that’s on there for that & on my next bike I’ll put a train horn as you don’t have to be loud all the time. I have really freaked people out by knocking on their window when they come over the line into my lane. Not the smartest thing to do

  16. Lady Jaymez

    I truly believe in “loud pipes saves lives”. I have had more than a few instances that I was happy I switched out the stock pipes. When you pull in the clutch and twist the throttle people know exactly where you are and if the are infringing on my space and lane.

  17. Nick Dunse

    Hell Yes Loud Pipes DO! Save life’s…..does that mean its OK to piss off your neighbors No! Been riding for over 35 yrs seen it all and in todays world of texting, cell phones, ipads, curling irons , eating while driving we need every chance we can and Loud pipes help!!!!

  18. Jeff Filer

    People who don’t like my pipes can piss off! They say my pipes are just to annoy the neighbours…WRONG! I spend a fraction of my time there the rest is riding the roads elsewhere which means that if your noticing me a lot then your on the road with me…hence you must be noticing ME! Need I explain this in a simpler way for you complainers??

  19. Lynne

    The ONLY time I can hear the loud pipes is when I am behind you ! And I am not behind a lot of any one 90 % of the time I am Lone wolf out there riding hard and heavy
    I also carry a big Iron on my hip 99 % of the cage drivers see it first and DO NOT cross over in front of me . . I have had some at stop lights ask what it was I am carrying and I tell them ! . . I am a member of RidersUSA.net and DO GO on rides with them now and then . .

  20. michael

    Motorcycling is already an increasingly dangerous hobby and with gas prices these days, a much needed and appreciated form of transportation. This not even including the therapeutic benefits that non riders will never understand. So with the amount of cagers glued to a cell phone while they’re already trying to maneuver a 3,000 to 5,000+ lbs vehicle. I can tell you that they are not paying attention to the millions of other drivers also glued to a cell phone, let alone a quiet 500 lbs. vehicle traveling at the same velocity. I can personally tell you that when you at least have some noise coming out of your bike (rearward facing or not) it causes them to break their electronic trans and take notice of you sharing ‘their’ roads. Its the look at me attention seekers revving their bike that gives the rest a bad name. Ticket those guys for noise ordnance violations since there is no “i’m an attention seeking douche” ticket! The rest of us just want whatever advantage we can get to extend our riding enjoyment and of course our lives!!

  21. ECS

    We, (motorcyclist’s) are not noticed as it is on the road – and all these “Know better than we do” Motorcycle groups and Government Committees want to silence the bikes because it is a noise nuisance. I ride every day almost year round and if it were not for loud pipes and even the loud “Buzz” of Metric Bikes, when I happen to be in a car/truck, the noise helps me to identify that a bike is nearby and not only when it is on the side of me or in front of me – when the Bikes come up behind me!!! – That bull about you can’t hear a bike because the noise is behind the bike, is – and here – let me spell it out – BULL SHIT – I can have the Music up in the Car and still hear a bike coming up behind me.
    I’m sorry but are these groups trying to make it more convenient for people in cars that insist on talking on their phones or playing their Damn BASS Boomer Crap and TEXTING while driving – GOD forbid we make it difficult to hear their Phone conversations while they should be paying attention to DRIVING their 4000lb rolling projectiles.
    Leave My Fucking Pipes and my Bike alone – If you “People” can make your Damn cars go faster than the legal speed limit and everybody thinks that is OK and doesn’t pose a threat to anyone on the road then keep your fuck laws and Rules to yourself and let me be Heard and noticed so I can save my own life when you run me off the road because your Phone conversation or cup of coffee or Music is more important than my life…

  22. Ellen

    Loud pipes have saved my husbands life. He bought a bike with somewhat loud pipes, twist of the wrist is right. He doesn’t rev them at home so
    as to not annoy the neighbors. But they have definitely saved his life a few times. He had planned after getting the bike on putting quieter
    mufflers on, but after riding for a couple of weeks and seeing that they really did make a difference in a tight situation (ie lane changes, inattentive drivers,) he decided to leave them on. I was of the same mind, until I heard him and others talking about this same issue.
    And yes it is due to oblivious drivers, but since you can’t make them pay attention any other way, then the pipes help. And horns on bikes are a joke unless you can get an air horn installed.
    Quiet bikes can get you killed.

  23. Road Rash

    I think it’s my motorcycle and I ought to be able to decide for myself whether I want it loud or not.

  24. SportyGal50

    I ride a ’95 Sporty…People hear me coming – in front of me, and behind me! Loud Pipes Save Lives!!!

  25. Don "COL REB"Norris

    Yes loud pipes are a big help and not near as loud as some pick up trucks and cars. I some times think that the car and truck owners certainly do have louder pipes than MY Honda. Nuff said.

  26. Rick Holtsclaw

    Loud Pipes Violate Rights…they DO NOT save lives. I’ve ridden motorcycles, off and on, for some 40 years…owned and maintained 30 bikes since age 12. Let’s take the “loud pipes save lives” mantra to is logical conclusion, shall we.

    If your illegal aftermarket Vance and Hines do actually save lives, opposed to the Hurt Reports stark evidence that loud pipes do not save lives…why don’t I drive around with my horn activated 100% of the time? I would be safer, correct?

    If you ride loud, you are destroying the sport of motorcycling! If you ride loud, you are an embarrassment to the sport of motorcycling. If you ride loud, you are a selfish thug who craves attention and the acceptance of other thugs. If you ride loud, you are simply a juvenile bully that forces HIS way on innocent others. If you ride loud, you are violating the right of others to enjoy a peaceful environment and domestic tranquility…why do you think the EPA regulates your OEM exhaust to 80 db(A) at a specified RPM…because noise is intrusive, it’s dangerous, is has serious detrimental effects on human and animal physiology.

    Please, ride the loud piece of junk off a cliff and do us all a favor. Now that a “noise” I could gladly live with.

  27. Bad Andy

    It is a PROVEN FACT that on the road, LOUD NOISE CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE. That is why all motorcycles are required to be equipped with… HORNS!

    Yeah, that’s right. HORNS. They’re amazing devices. They only make sound when you want/need them to.

    Think about it folks, what takes more effort? And which involves less loss of control over your motorcycle? Pulling in your clutch and yanking the throttle? Or thumbing a friggin’ horn button?

    Yes, yes, I know, the horns the OEMs put on are a joke. Totally correct. Go to a junkyard and pull one or two off a car, problem solved! And for about 1/10th the cost of a set of illegal pipes.

  28. larry

    The comments by Rick Holtsclaw and Bad Andy very effectively rebuts all the ridiculous LPSL, “My loud and illegal loud pipes saved my life”, testimonials that preceded them. All I can add is that all those LPSL testimonials are not only ridiculous and without merit, they are an open admission of guilt because loud pipes are illegal. There is not a “bikers rights” friendly attorney alive who would present that argument in any court of law in an effort to overturn the rule of law, especially the Federal law, that says quite clearly that loud pipes are illegal. Only an inept and addle minded clown of an attorney, or anyone, would make such a proposition and expect it to magically shield noisy and irrational bikers from the rule of law. My hope is that they continue to invoke that old and debunked-to-death canard and present it to law makers when testifying before them. That would greatly accelerate the the much needed changes in the way the states address the motorcycle noise issue and bring about the universal enforcement of the federal law, that if enforced and complied with, would indeed render the problem of excessive motorcycle noise a non existent one.

  29. Lynne

    Hey Rick your right I can’t hear the loud pipes coming from the other direction and the ONLY time I can hear them is IF I AM BEHIND the fool with the loud pipes and that is not often . My big 40 cal sitting right out there in PLAIN VIEW is a bigger deterent to some J.A. in a cage changing lanes SEEMS it is the first thing people see is the BIG 40 Cal on my right hand side and they sorta steer away ! . . and I keep my head on a swivel so as to see what is ahead behind or off to the side . . some times I just know a J.A. is going to move over sorta psychic thing . . Last time I got hit was from behind and I flipped on turn signals and stepped on the brakes about same time and started making a turn was like BAM I got clipped by the bumper fractured my shoulder is all took 3 months and I was up and running $49,500.00 later paid for my new 2007 Vulvan classic CASH off the show room floor and delivered under $9,800.00 . .

  30. Bad Andy

    “Canard”? No. NoiseOFF! and so on like to carry on about how there’s no proof that loud pipes save lives. Them saying they’ve seen no proof doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. And if you want to whip out that “canard” malarky you should present some proof that they don’t. Try not to mis-quote the Hurt study like EX-officer Holtsclaw. Noise is noise whether it’s a loud exhaust or a horn or loudly cursing the douchebag who just wandered into your lane because he was playing with some electronic gadget or choking his chicken or whatever.

    The difference is when that noise is made and the unfairness to the innocent public near and even far away from the roadways who are repeatedly subjected to the racket. Folks who represent no threat to motorcyclists at all, except for wanting to kill the pricks for annoying the crap out of them I guess. And of course the legality, which is a reflection of the unfairness.

    As absurd as some of the testimonials may be, do not mistake that as an opportunity to try stupid, factless arguments.

  31. Kntym

    Anyone know a good lawyer? I do believe a portion of the riding community was just threatened with personnel and / or property damage by Rick Holtsclaw? But seriously people how can either side of this really prove which side is right? I’m not talking the legal aspects but the safety of having loud pipes! It’s like a belief in a God, you either believe or you don’t. If you have had loud pipes and still had an avoidable accident where a vehicle pulled into your lane you may not be on the side of Loud Pipes Save Lives. If you have been saved by them then it’s the opposite, I myself am on this side as I know they have saved me from injury many times! How do these so called studies quantify their results? My side goes by listening to older more experienced riders, following their lead and figuring it out for myself. The other side is a bunch of whining lil sob’s and some politicians that are trying to get the vote of said sob’s!
    I’m willing to bet a good amount that SOME not all but some of these said sob’s are the same sob’s that run their lawn mowers right next door to the guy or girl that is a nightshift worker and says it’s my right to cut my lawn in the evening!
    It’s my right to feel safe on the road so deal with it for the short time your passing me, get on with life and stop wasting valuable court / police officer time that could be better put to use trying to catch / put away the people that are actually doing serious wrongs in our society!!! Ie. drunk drivers, distracted drivers etc.

  32. Johnny

    I just hate the noise of a motorcycle until my brother in law bought me a motorcycle exhaust at 4wheelonline. The first time used my two brothers exhaust. I find it great and happy with the result

  33. Bob

    On the freeway they are great. But in the city they set off car alarms, rattle windows, etc.

    I’m saying that not because three bikes just went by… could not hear myself talk.

    I think in Urban Areas they should be limited. It’s just not fair to neighbors.

    On the highway – have fun! I think we need to come to a compromise in the city though.

  34. Patrick

    What a load of B.S. The guys ripping through our neighborhood are rattling windows and setting off car alarms. It’s like a war has started. And since when is gunning at the stop light for safety? Way to loud because they can get away with it. I grit my teeth when bikes goes tearing by full throttle on our small street and how I wish they would get nailed, only to stop the noise.

  35. Motorcycle Sound

    Nice blog thanks to share this all information here…

  36. David Zuttles

    I can’t believe this is even being discussed.

    No disrespect to bikers. But much disrespect to ridiculous noise.

    92 decibles is still completely insane. Most police harleys max out in the 70 decible range. No one should be allowed to be louder than that. It’s rude and a major public nuisance. You want to “save lives”? Then ride respectfully and with common sense and you will be fine. Your wretched noise will not save anything, much less the sanity of those around you.

  37. gerry

    Russ, Many facts in your article are incorrect. The LPSL myth although not proven by any accepted study is widely held to be meaningful by anecdotal evidence, but this anecdotal evidence is generated by a false premise when fails to include rider actions known to mitigate risk without the use of noise. Ironically the myth is scientifically proven to be false, with no anecdotal evidence to disprove the study. The M.A.I.D.S acem in depth motorcycle accident study agreed with the HURT report that the type of motorcycle found represented in accidents is not important except that modified conventional motorcycles like those with loud pipes are over-represented in the accidents studied. Science has proven that riding a standard motorcycle reduces your risk of an accident, removing this LPSL claim.

    The NH numerical decibel threshold pass/fail levels can not be directly compared to state the operational level was lowered in law. 92 dB(A)/sae j-2825 can not be stated to be lower then 106 dB(A)/sae j-1287 because the sound measuring parameters techniques are not identically performed in these different J-tests. The latest revision in the NH code actually raised the operational noise level, compared to the code in previous statute.

    Maine, (I was on it’s MC Noise working group board) has not used J2825 to allow a raise in operational levels. The legislature never removed the prohibition on operating a low-noise-exhaust-emission regulated highway motorcycle with exhaust equipment that results in raising it’s standard (stock factory) volume. The practical use of the AMA’s J-2825 to overturn a charge in court failed to happen. Maine is not a J-2825 state.

    Your largest error is to state there are EPA approved exhaust systems on standard motorcycles. The EPA does not certify motorcycle exhaust systems. The administrator does not stamp, mark, test, release certified exhaust systems or classify exhaust systems to be illegal, or legal. The EPA does regulate the total noise a highway motorcycle offered into commerce may make, and requires that the manufacture meet or exceed these requirements including all of the parts of D&E in part 205 of CFR 40. The truth is manufacturers purposely present model prototypes to enter an EPA pass-by test to not come any where near the 80 dB(A) limits. Although the prototypes and their identical production clones have a character of similar sound design, manufacturers create a sound level buffer to report to the EPA a much lower total noise output of their products to protect against costly fines and recalls, if any EPA enforcement spot check or vehicle tolerance placed the total noise over the required limit. More importantly, the manufactures purposely lower the total noise of a standard model to allow significant volume rises by offering replacement silencers warranted to help a specific model motorcycle meet EPA total noise emissions, as a customer benefit. This idea that standard motorcycles are controlled or certified by the EPA is pure folly. The manufactures are more known to be responsible to control the different and unique model noise outputs by the characteristics of their purposeful design, then any federal agency. The EPA has always stressed it does not certify motorcycle mufflers.

    States adopting the EPA “label match-up” provision to effect local enforcement, and codify what an owner may do to swap out standard exhaust on a highway motorcycle, are not banning modifications that increase motorcycle sound levels. Let me say it again, the “Label match-up” does not ban modifications that increase the level of sound a standard motorcycle may make. The reverse is true. When a State or local jurisdiction adopts a code to allow only EPA noise compliant products, it allows 100% of every standard motorcycle owner to significantly (an legally) raise volumes. All standard motorcycles are built with total noise control technology to record levels far under the limits. A label law allows an owner to swap out and attach pipes made for a specific model motorcycle to meet or exceed the requirements in D&E of the federal code, without any way to validate, quantify, qualify that a specific model attached to the pipes is in place. A non-specific motorcycle with “label law” pipes can exceed noise levels of specific model bikes using straight pipes. A label law results in significantly raising operational sound levels, for every registered motorcycle in the state with no possible effective enforcement action.

  38. scott

    Loud pipes saves lives is bullshit ! How many of you would put up with me blasting abba or pet shop boys at all hours day and night out side your house? you wouldnt ! Most HARLEY riders in my area just do it for attention ! news flash….. you are a douche bag with loud pipes. I hope they ban all the look at me im cool and my bike is loud . Get A job and a life you are just annoying as HELL losers !!!!!!!!

  39. Hugh

    Yes I have loud pipes, Yes they have saved my life more than once, Yes I am considerate of others and idle through residential areas, I never rev my bike for no reason, that would be dumb. To “SCOTT” I already tolerate rap music so loud it is rattling parts off the car it’s coming from outside my house, but this is America and that is their right. I already tolerate the garbage truck at 5 am, but he is just doing his job. Sometimes the college kids across the street have big noisy parties, bottom line is If I have a problem with it I WILL GO DISCUSS IT WITH THEM, not sit behind a keyboard calling them names.

  40. John

    I think loud (but not abusive loud) pipes may save lives. But my comment is mostly for Scott…Mine has the loud pipes and I’m very careful around my neighborhood with the noise…I hope your comment is just for your neighbours because not all of us should pay for the ones who abuse it…Also most of us have a life and jobs and families. Losers are in all walks of life(even yours)!!!!!

  41. Bad Andy

    I can’t believe this debate is still going on.

    First let’s try a little experiment with Rocky’s story here. Rocky said “all of a sudden this car comes from the far left lane and was coming right at me this person was on her cell phone laughing away not paying any attention to her surroundings, I pulled in the clutch and hit the throttle this girl opened her eyes and realized she almost took me out.”

    In a perfect world his response would have been “I hit my ZOT button and that b***h and her car just vaporized” but I digress…

    Let’s change Rocky’s story just a little: “all of a sudden this car comes from the far left lane and was coming right at me this person was on her cell phone laughing away not paying any attention to her surroundings, I HIT THE HORN BUTTON this girl opened her eyes and realized she almost took me out.”

    And now let’s improve this story just a little more: “all of a sudden this car comes from the far left lane and was coming right at me this person was on her cell phone laughing away not paying any attention to her surroundings, I HIT THE HORN AND GRABBED MY BRAKES girl opened her eyes and realized she almost took me out.”

    See what we’ve done? First, we depended on our horn. Cool thing about a horn is, it not only saves lives, it also only makes noise when it needs to. It doesn’t spend the other 99.999% of its time pissing off 97% of the people nearby. It also doesn’t require you to mess with the bike’s controls, which could have dangerous consequences in traffic. One tiny little button. It’s almost magical. And your bike already comes with one!

    Even better, the loudest horn you can buy (not counting train horns but I’m not sure where you would hide the air tank) costs about one tenth as much as a fancy looking aftermarket exhaust. You won’t have to worry about babying the throttle when you think you need to be quieter (which in reality is all the time). And then if you’re really bright you might start to realize how stupid you sounded when you defended your exhaust system by pointing out how someone else’s was louder.

    Second thing we did is add defensive driving to the mix. Because no matter how loud you think your pipes or horn or even your own mouth is, there’s gonna be someone who won’t or can’t hear you and your belligerence will get you maimed or killed. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY, ALWAYS.

    Noise is not the inevitable nightmare that some of us seem to believe. The owner of that garbage truck could spend a few hundred dollars and cut his noise in half. The boom cars? Laws have already been drafted and passed in many places. The partying frats across the street, at least you can walk over and have a word with them. Just how exactly do you plan to have a word with every loud motorhead that rides or drives past your home? Do tell.

    Let’s get real here. Do loud pipes save lives? Sure, they probably do. So do HORNS. That’s what they are there for. Use them instead.

  42. Jeff

    There are so many thoughts I would like to share with you but I will just touch on a couple. First off, these street bikes tend to be louder (decibel level) than my Harley is and they spend way more time going up and down my street than the Harley riders do which brings me to my second thought! Maybe this is due to the act that the HD riders actually have a job to GO TO which is why I hear them once or twice a a day where as the street bikes are still living at home with mommy and daddy whom most likely paid for the bike for said persons. These jobs allow us to ride 20 and 30 thousand dollar bikes! Plus raise a family support a house a car (for winter) and all the rest that goes along with life! A for the so called noise? We go past any given house for maybe a few seconds. Deal with it!!! Can’t remember the last time I saw a HD blowing a donut in the middle of the street like these street bikes do. They are there for much longer and a lot more annoying, worry about them more than my bike!!! Now that I’ve settled this on an intellectual level…why don’t YOU go fk yourself LOSER!!!

  43. Jeff

    Reply to Scott
    There are so many thoughts I would like to share with you but I will just touch on a couple. First off, these street bikes tend to be louder (decibel level) than my Harley is and they spend way more time going up and down my street than the Harley riders do which brings me to my second thought! Maybe this is due to the act that the HD riders actually have a job to GO TO which is why I hear them once or twice a a day where as the street bikes are still living at home with mommy and daddy whom most likely paid for the bike for said persons. These jobs allow us to ride 20 and 30 thousand dollar bikes! Plus raise a family support a house a car (for winter) and all the rest that goes along with life! A for the so called noise? We go past any given house for maybe a few seconds. Deal with it!!! Can’t remember the last time I saw a HD blowing a donut in the middle of the street like these street bikes do. They are there for much longer and a lot more annoying, worry about them more than my bike!!! Now that I’ve settled this on an intellectual level…why don’t YOU go fk yourself LOSER!!!

  44. wmor

    I suppose if they start to fine for this then they also better fine for loud music, loud cars, etc, then… where did our freedom go again? hum..

  45. Bad Andy

    It is interesting how discussions about illegally modified vehicle exhausts always seem to end up with someone making an ignorant reference to freedom.

    Freedom is not defined as the ability to do whatever you want regardless of the impact on others. The freedoms guaranteed to you by our country’s constitution are limited. Bradley Manning for example just found out that his/her right to free speech does not extend to handing out classified government information.

    Those of you who believe it is your right to force your noise upon others, will also be able to exercise your right to pay fines for the laws you are breaking. And in some places if you continue to break those laws you may find that your perceived right to operate your noise-maker will be taken away. When you wonder where you freedom went you can check between the pages of the textbooks you never read about the Constitution and democracy.

    If you educate yourself about your rights and freedoms and decide you cannot live under these rules, go find yourself another country.

    As for those of you who think your noise should not be bothersome because it only happens once on your work to work and once on your way home, your logic is impeccable. Except for the part where it ignores all the other thoughtless jerks who were thinking the exact same thing.

  46. Jeff

    What shift do you work? I’m straight nights. I have to put up with trucks cars bikes oh and last but not least that one guy in the neighbourhood that has to cut his lawn right when I’m sleeping. W all put up with a little bit of noise from something or someone! Learn to deal with it!!! I and every other night shift worker has to to it!
    As for your argument about the laws…..they were not there when I first started modifying my pipes. Guess I can claim some kind of grand father law? If not I guess I’ll just continue to disobey an unjust law put in place by a bunch of whining asses like you!!!

  47. Bad Andy

    Name-calling. Good strategy. Speaks volumes about the nature of people who think it’s their right to force their unnecessary and excessive noise upon others.

    Jeff, I rotate across three shifts every few weeks. But if you’re expecting sympathy or empathy from me you’re going to be very disappointed. So go cry me a river. Guess you’ll just have to pay the fines for using your loud pipes and, like you say, “Learn to deal with it!!!!”

  48. Jeff

    Don’t believe I called anyone a name? I made a statement as to what I believe people like say yourself have nothing better to do than worry about what I have on my bike for pipes and the decibel level they produce. I on the other hand every right to be on this thread to defend my side of the coin. Yes you have that same right but if you and people like you did not worry so much neither of us would have to be her doing this!

    Oh and I do believe I did say that I do deal with it without complaining about it. Noises are a fact of life so should the side that worries about our pipes is all I’m saying.

  49. Bad Andy

    Categorizing me as one of the “whining asses”, calling other people losers. No, I don’t see any name-calling at all. Oh, do you see any sarcasm by any chance?

    It is particularly interesting that you think you’re presence here is a defensive necessity but anyone who disagrees with you simply has nothing better to do.

    Some noise is a fact of life. Not all of it has to be.

  50. Dave

    Anecdotal evidence is no evidence. Show me the statistics saying loud pipes save lives, that more injuries/deaths occur on bikes with factory pipes.

    I don’t need to hear you roar through my neighborhood to avoid hitting you with my house…

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